Tuesday, July 10, 2012

What do you think this 'haskama' is about?

Only one hint: 1809.


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26 comments:

  1. Wolf219112:40 PM, July 10, 2012

    I'm guessing Amsterdam because of the two communities. The only thing I can think of that fits the text would be that manners manual from 1809 that you posted awhile back?

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  2. M12:53 PM, July 10, 2012

    Are we guessing places? Hamburg.

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  3. e.1:24 PM, July 10, 2012

    Very intriguing (and a difficult one to figure out!)

    Amsterdam is a good guess. But there were other communities with both Sephardi and Ashkenazi communities during this period in history. Bucharest, Bulgaria, and London are ones that come to mind. And of course, within Israel, Safed, Jerusalem, Tiberias and Hebron.

    Baal Hablog, give us another hint!

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  4. S.1:27 PM, July 10, 2012

    The content! Why would they say this, "no need for a haskamah; and we we agree" but not put it in writing - or why would he claim it?

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  5. Anonymous2:45 PM, July 10, 2012

    Guess: The Biur

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  6. Russell4:23 PM, July 10, 2012

    something to do with responses to napoleon or his laws in amsterdam?

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  7. S.4:31 PM, July 10, 2012

    Okay, there's been a lot of guesses. In an alternate universe someone even figured it out.

    Should I say, or one more hint?

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  8. e.4:43 PM, July 10, 2012

    One more hint, please!

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  9. S.4:56 PM, July 10, 2012

    Okay. I think we can well understand the Sefardi rabbi agreeing, but the Ashkenazi one is a little surprising.

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  10. Abe5:21 PM, July 10, 2012

    An alternate universe???

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  11. S.5:26 PM, July 10, 2012

    I'm going to credit you!

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  12. ZIY7:02 PM, July 10, 2012

    The biur wouldn't be a ''מאמר''or a ''מחברת''

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  13. David Guttmann8:23 PM, July 10, 2012

    Kuzari Hechadash ?

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  14. yaak9:38 PM, July 10, 2012

    Iggeret Hahitnatzlut by Samson Bloch?

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  15. JXG9:18 AM, July 11, 2012

    If the Ashkenazi rabbi is surprising, I say Pressburg. Were there Sfardi rabbis there? I have no idea!

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  16. Anonymous10:17 AM, July 11, 2012

    Surprising and alternate universe because the ashkenazi rabbi is willing to pay full price?

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    1. S.10:23 AM, July 11, 2012

      You think the Sephardim don't have the same reputation?

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  17. S.10:25 AM, July 11, 2012

    Okay, I suppose this has gone on long enough. Thanks to all who made attempts. :-)

    This is from a book called אמרה צרופה published in Amsterdam in 1809. The author was Moses Lemans; his name appears as משה בן טרייטל on the title page, but the last page is indeed hand signed "Moses Lemans."

    The theme of this work is to propound the idea that the Sephardic pronunciation of Hebrew is correct and this can be proven by the statements of Chazal, the Masoretes and the grammarians. Thus, the implication is, the Ashkenazim should switch their pronunciation.

    Predictably, this engendered a controversy, and pamphlets and counter pamphlets were published on this topic.

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  18. Lawrence Kaplan10:28 AM, July 11, 2012

    I also thought of the Biur because that was Mendelsohn's rationale for not asking for a haskamah. But the date doesn't fit unless we are seing of a reprint.

    I thought of the second edition of Sefer ha-Berit. But that was published in 1807.

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  19. Anonymous12:29 PM, July 11, 2012

    Somebody thinks it was published in 1808:

    http://books.google.com/books?id=ZOkZAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA427&lpg=PA427&dq=%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%94+%D7%A6%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%94&source=bl&ots=4hhKrNx9M1&sig=jazi0nqkQkDUlQjI6c-CvhT98dc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Ian9T_zVDIyi8QTJ2KnfBg&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%94%20%D7%A6%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%94&f=false

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  20. Anonymous12:30 PM, July 11, 2012

    Here too.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=2okdPwAACAAJ&dq=%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%94+%D7%A6%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%94&source=bl&ots=I4UQl3qy3M&sig=c2lVlqulyKuCtvRYqtc-Z5o8_pw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=4an9T8WOD4-08ATLt9nZBg&ved=0CFkQ6AEwBw

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  21. S.12:31 PM, July 11, 2012

    Could be, but neither of us know. It says 5569 and has no equivalent date. More months of 5569 are in 1809.

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  22. S.12:35 PM, July 11, 2012

    By the way, in this post I showed a picture of Lemans.

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