tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post8814857355035962020..comments2024-01-21T02:58:08.208-05:00Comments on On the Main Line: Rabbi Chaim Yoseph David Azulay (Chida) examined the books of the Karaites and this Latin Mishnah in 1775.Mississippi Fred MacDowellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02734864605700159687noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-57083224429912672712010-04-14T07:56:47.614-04:002010-04-14T07:56:47.614-04:00Great post! I noticed the interesting construction...Great post! I noticed the interesting construction of the mezuzah. The location of the nail-holes implies that it was installed at an angle, just like we do it. -- PhilAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-45000175410070375692010-04-13T21:53:53.687-04:002010-04-13T21:53:53.687-04:00Thanks for posting my Calimani/Saraval Pirkei Avos...Thanks for posting my Calimani/Saraval Pirkei Avos photos. Your theory that the authors may have produced the work in their teens makes sense to me; Shadal was another Italian Jew who got an early start, with his first efforts at parshanut at the age of 11 or 12.<br />I included a photo of the doodlings on the endpapers to show that the little book (about 6" by 4", approx. 88 pages) was in use in 1856, and that human nature hasn't changed much since.Dan Kleinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-53645478230238476392010-04-13T17:42:13.990-04:002010-04-13T17:42:13.990-04:00whose the yitschok sofer who created these awsome ...whose the yitschok sofer who created these awsome drawings <br />any infoasherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06453087644005084565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-78901502660117960492010-04-13T11:22:13.138-04:002010-04-13T11:22:13.138-04:00Bar Uryan
>Without commenting on the substance...Bar Uryan<br /><br />>Without commenting on the substance of the putative proof, I wish to ask why would you ignore this:<br /><br />I have nothing to explain. Evidently you're accusing me of accusing him of being arrogant, but I have done no such thing. I wrote that he never fails to note when he was shown respect or its opposite; which is true. "What can I say, he was human" was not meant as a slight, but rather my explanation why he deemed such things worthy of recording. All the more so if it was for his private use and memories.<br /><br />As for whether or not the Chida meant it for publication, I guess that's ultimately a matter of opinion, since he is unclear about it. I suppose it's possible he had a plan of revising it for publication, but as it stands now the manuscript seems very far from ready for that. It's fragmentary, some years he only recorded a few brief notes, etc.<br /><br />Shloimie<br /><br />All the more interesting because this was drawn by a Jew.<br /><br />Dan, thanks for the beautiful pictures. I'm going to add them to the post.<br /><br />John<br /><br />Thanks for the kind words. Although I did use that article by van Rooden,I derived more substance from his article "The Amsterdam Translation of the Mishnah," p. 257 in William Horbury (editor), Hebrew Study from Ezra to Ben-Yehuda (1999), which is, I think, an English translation of an earlier article in Dutch. Van Rooden's articles can be downloaded <a href="http://www.xs4all.nl/~pvrooden/Peter/publicatielijst.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br />JXG<br /><br />Yes, everyone makes mistakes. In his defense, he understood "mishnah" in the sense of "mishneh torah" or deuteronomy. Actually, I find this confusion interesting, because in reality the T of Torah should be rafeh, thus for Ashkenazim the Rambam's magnum opus should be pronounced "Mishneh Sorah." <br /><br />As for the coins, while these probably weren't drawn by Jews (wonder what the Chida thought of Jesus coins in the Mishnah) see <a href="http://onthemainline.blogspot.com/2009/10/serendipity-reggio-sketch-with-side-of.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> for the very same coin drawn by a Jew, albeit about 150 years latS.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-18297050206549764972010-04-13T04:45:31.368-04:002010-04-13T04:45:31.368-04:001. The Mishna is the second law?! I guess everyon...1. The Mishna is the second law?! I guess everyone makes mistakes.<br /><br />2. That was some muliar! Love the face.<br /><br />3. The coins! Somehow I think those coins were not illustrated by Jews.JXGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-81091955580330909942010-04-13T04:31:25.678-04:002010-04-13T04:31:25.678-04:00Thanks for this.
Can I assume that you are quoti...Thanks for this. <br /><br />Can I assume that you are quoting Peter van Rooden from this volume and this article?<br /><br />Schäfer, Peter und Irina Wandrey (Hrsg.):<br />Reuchlin und seine Erben. Forscher, Denker, Ideologen und Spinner. Pforzheimer Reuchlinschriften. <br />Ostfildern : Thorbecke, 2005. 348 S. Gebundene Ausgabe mit Schutzumschlag. ISBN: 3799559817 (EAN: 9783799559812 / 978-3799559812)<br /><br />Klaus Reichert, Die zwei Gesichter des Johannes Reuchlin -- Stephen Burnett, "Spokesmen for Judaism": Medieval Jewish Polemicists and their Christian Readers in the Reformation Era -- Jean-Pierre Brach, Outlines and Motivations of Guillaume Postel`s Interest in Jewish Language -- Saverio Campanini, Wege in die Stadt der Bücher. Ein Beitrag zur Geschichte der hebräischen Bibliographie: die katholische bibliographische "Dynastie" Iona - Bartolocci -Imbonati -- Hartmut Bobzin, Der Altdorfer Gelehrte Johann Christoph Wagenseil und seine Bibliothek -- Peter van Rooden, Willem Surenhuys` Translation of the Mishna and the Strange Death of Christian Hebraism -- Günter Stemberger, Die Mishna-Übersetzung von Johann Jacob Rabe -- Adam Sutcliffe, Judaism in the Era of Enlightenment: the Eighteenth-Century Forging of a Turbulent Relationship -- WouterJ. Hanegraaff, Emanuel Swedenborg, the Jews, and Jewish Tradition -- Gunnar Och, Judenbilder der Romantik -- Stefan Rohrbacher, "Gründlicher und Wahrhaffter Bericht". Des Orientalisten Johann Andreas Eisenmengers Entdecktes Judenthum (1700) als Klassiker des "wissenschaftlichen" Antisemitismus -- Peter Schäfer, "Adversus cabbalam" oder: Heinrich Graetz und die jüdische Mystik -- Klaus Herrmann, Das Reuchlin-Bild bei Ludwig Geiger -- Christian Wiese, "Das beste Gegengift gegen den Judenhaß"? Wissenschaft des Judentums, protestantische Bibelkritik und Antisemitismus vor der Shoah -- Henry Wassermann, Prof. Dr. Hugo Gressmann (1927): ". ich bitte endlich, diese Gastvorlesungen auch als eine Anerkennung der jüdischen Wissenschaft zu betrachten" -- Martin Engelbrecht, Die eigenen Wurzeln neu pflanzen - was Christen in Deutschland derzeit am Judentum interessiert -- Christine Meilicke, Abulafianism among the Counterculture Kabbalists -- Gabriele Werner, Madonna und die Kabbala - zwischen Zivilreligion und Identitätspolitik. ISBN 3799559817John Hobbinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17011346264727684917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-30630909622004388642010-04-13T03:03:05.657-04:002010-04-13T03:03:05.657-04:00I have the luck to own a copy of the Saraval-Calim...I have the luck to own a copy of the Saraval-Calimani translation of Pirkei Avot. For some reason it had been among my Hungarian grandfather's seforim. The date given on the title page is 5592, or 1732. I get a kick out of some of the translations: "beit va'ad la-hakhamim" is "Accademia de' savii," and "Ha-Kadosh Barukh Hu" is "il Santo Benedetto Signore."Dan Kleinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-10102394241149755262010-04-13T00:27:14.126-04:002010-04-13T00:27:14.126-04:00The Tefillin Shel Yad looks very similar to anothe...The Tefillin Shel Yad looks very similar to another one you posted a while ago.<br />The Shel Yad box is conical, not square like what we wear in our times.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02760514033033314989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-50668306625904317072010-04-12T20:00:17.206-04:002010-04-12T20:00:17.206-04:00the Chida never fails to note when he was shown re...<b>the Chida never fails to note when he was shown respect or its opposite; what can I say, he was human</b><br /><br />Without commenting on the substance of the putative proof, I wish to ask why would you ignore this:<br /><br />[פאריס כח כסלו תקלח]<br /><br />וחסדי ה' אזכיר שיש לי שם גדול וכבוד ומחשבים אותי מאה חלקים על מה שאני יודע וכבר אני אומר להם כי בער אנכי והם סוברים שהוא רק מצד הענווה. גם בין הגוים יצא שמי והם שואלים ליהודים עלי והוא דבר פלא. ומה שאני מדבר אליהם סוברים שהם דברים יקרים מפנינים והן הן גבורותיו מאשפות ירים אביון להשיבו עם נדיבים.<br /><br />See <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=WwBFAAAAYAAJ&pg=PT26&lpg=PT26&dq=%22%D7%95%D7%94%D7%9F+%D7%94%D7%9F+%D7%92%D7%91%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%AA%D7%99%D7%95+%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%A9%D7%A4%D7%95%D7%AA+%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D%22&source=bl&ots=OGlZskU9Qf&sig=EAianR8Ifg4-loaH9BqrfNygm80&hl=en&ei=A7LDS-SoM4OB8gb6yfGSCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22%D7%95%D7%94%D7%9F%20%D7%94%D7%9F%20%D7%92%D7%91%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%AA%D7%99%D7%95%20%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%A9%D7%A4%D7%95%D7%AA%20%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D%22&f=false" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br />See also <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=WwBFAAAAYAAJ&pg=PT9&lpg=PT9&dq=%22%D7%9C%D7%96%D7%9B%D7%A8%D7%9F+%D7%92%D7%93%D7%95%D7%9C%22&source=bl&ots=OGlZskUbKg&sig=jEBo4dy9h22i0XaF4SGkW8svmvU&hl=en&ei=kLLDS53fOMP88Abq0NSECQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CBQQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22%D7%9C%D7%96%D7%9B%D7%A8%D7%9F%20%D7%92%D7%93%D7%95%D7%9C%22&f=false" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=WwBFAAAAYAAJ&pg=PT12&lpg=PT12&dq=%22%D7%A2%D7%9C%D7%99+%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%AA%D7%9F+%D7%9C%D7%99+%D7%9E%D7%A2%D7%A0%D7%94%22&source=bl&ots=OGlZskUcLf&sig=zkZGX7lPZCWQs_XWZOTQDYg-Mc4&hl=en&ei=_rLDS8CfIYO88gaArv3ZCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22%D7%A2%D7%9C%D7%99%20%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%AA%D7%9F%20%D7%9C%D7%99%20%D7%9E%D7%A2%D7%A0%D7%94%22&f=false" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br />Assuming that "[t]he Chida didn't write it (it seems) for publication", how do you explain the Chida (or conversely, yourself)?Bar Uryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01784873087738099484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-64646860806101334142010-04-12T18:00:40.722-04:002010-04-12T18:00:40.722-04:00And the scholarship. I'm sure someone can tear...And the scholarship. I'm sure someone can tear it apart by finding its weak spots ala the review that a certain rabbi did of the Steinsaltz Talmud in Tradition, but come on. It's impressive. As for the art, look at the shadows on those tefillin. It's gorgeous.<br /><br />I bet it wasn't cheap. When I get the chance I'll see if I can find what it was selling for.S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-16413574886636794522010-04-12T17:51:24.540-04:002010-04-12T17:51:24.540-04:00Puts most modern picture mishnayos to shame. A rea...Puts most modern picture mishnayos to shame. A real piece of art.Wolf2191https://www.blogger.com/profile/13577870680689849400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-23774920276775067802010-04-12T17:28:31.704-04:002010-04-12T17:28:31.704-04:00Thanks Andy.Thanks Andy.S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-35283488749408004802010-04-12T17:27:12.419-04:002010-04-12T17:27:12.419-04:00No one can say that S. took the money and ran.No one can say that S. took the money and ran.andynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-61977866641293522692010-04-12T17:24:53.396-04:002010-04-12T17:24:53.396-04:00Further clarification: I combined the first part o...Further clarification: I combined the first part of entry 216 -- Saraval -- with 217, Rabbi Yehoshua Segre, who was indeed in the Sanhedrin.<br /><br />Of note: in Rabbi Ghirondi's early-mid-19th century Italy there was a Hebrew number יו, sixteen (but not י"ה for fifteen!).<br /><br />Check again in a minute and the correct fake image will be there!S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-33831393563360604672010-04-12T17:15:43.884-04:002010-04-12T17:15:43.884-04:00Ha! It's a very embarassing mistake. Often whe...Ha! It's a very embarassing mistake. Often when a little text begins at the end of one page and continues on to the next I just combine them for one easy image. I did that here, as his bio appears on two pages in Ghirondi, and boy did I mess up! (I combined the wrong images to produce this mamzer.)<br /><br />This is Rabbi Wein's revenge, vhm"y. Will fix it. LOLS.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-20530023416748943432010-04-12T17:10:45.584-04:002010-04-12T17:10:45.584-04:00Fascinating. The first bio mentions that R. Sarava...Fascinating. The first bio mentions that R. Saraval was a member of Napoleon's Sanhedrin. The second one leaves it out. Any ideas why?ADDeRabbihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11749876612695930184noreply@blogger.com