tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post6932020886517745266..comments2024-01-21T02:58:08.208-05:00Comments on On the Main Line: Roots of faithMississippi Fred MacDowellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02734864605700159687noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-37949872428000281312012-07-01T10:46:40.184-04:002012-07-01T10:46:40.184-04:00Interesting, I see.Interesting, I see.Mar Gavrielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-54899503582329313752012-07-01T10:45:59.912-04:002012-07-01T10:45:59.912-04:00But S., the author of the Bialer siddur re-wrote t...But S., the author of the Bialer siddur re-wrote the Ani Ma'amin!Mar Gavrielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-39391959705134680002012-07-01T00:12:46.659-04:002012-07-01T00:12:46.659-04:00I think the Iqarim's approach doesn't fit ...I think the Iqarim's approach doesn't fit it at all. He divides postulates from theorems, which requires subjecting the material to logical analysis...micha bergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11612144735431285113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-7378080960296933242012-07-01T00:00:52.675-04:002012-07-01T00:00:52.675-04:00Micha
How would u apply the Ikaarims method of ika...Micha<br />How would u apply the Ikaarims method of ikarim and shorashim to the the 13 principals of the shaboss blettel? Also, would u add or eliminate from the list?Abehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10962293127737266609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-32237646692486152672012-06-30T23:38:06.218-04:002012-06-30T23:38:06.218-04:00The Ikarim has 11 mandatory beliefs: 3 iqarim, and...The Ikarim has 11 mandatory beliefs: 3 iqarim, and 8 shorashim. In his language, an iqar is a first principle, and a shoresh is a conclusion you can reach from the iqarim but is still a necessary "root" to nourish the tree of Judaism. I compare the Iqarim's list with the Rambam's list <a href="http://www.aishdas.org/asp/2006/01/ikkarei-emunah.shtml" rel="nofollow">on my blog</a>. Note also the Rambam has a second version of his list -- aside from the one in the Peirush haMishnayos (before Sanhedrin pereq Cheileq), there is also the lists of beliefs that the various types of heretic deny in Hilkhos Teshuvah chapter 3. Interesting, and IMHO not coincidentally, there are three types of heretic listed there, much like the three iqarim in Seifer haIqarim.<br /><br />They only differ in two ways pragmatically: The iqarim speaks of Hashem's perfection, the Rambam, of He alone being worth of worship. And the iqarm doesn't discuss mashiach, only techiyas hameisim. (The other "missing" iqar, to get RYAlbo's list down to 11, is that he combines Divine Knowledge of human actions and thoughts and Divine Justice (no.s 10-11 in Peirush haMishnayos) into one shoresh.)micha bergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11612144735431285113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-14577877313710242682012-06-30T23:15:00.285-04:002012-06-30T23:15:00.285-04:00I would take the Ikaarims approach and argue that ...I would take the Ikaarims approach and argue that if u believe in 1,7 and 8 you coverd it all... ואידך פרישא זול וגמורAbehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10962293127737266609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-39611477817918096162012-06-30T23:03:19.460-04:002012-06-30T23:03:19.460-04:00Mar Gavriel,
It is important to note that these &q...Mar Gavriel,<br />It is important to note that these "Ikkarim" are based on actual sources. The line ולא יכחיש זה רק אפיקורס is verbatim from שו"ת דברי חיים יו"ד סימן קה. Harrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-55361665150843573772012-06-30T22:20:45.439-04:002012-06-30T22:20:45.439-04:00It's a parody because anyone who believes in t...It's a parody because anyone who believes in this way wouldn't have the chutzpah to rewrite the Ani Maamin. It's also a parody because it's the Shabbos Blettel.S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-81760196242211367872012-06-30T14:17:21.729-04:002012-06-30T14:17:21.729-04:00This really doesn't read like a parody. Only t...This really doesn't read like a parody. Only towards the end, the line ולא יכחיש זה רק אפיקורוס and the principle about the chumroth are a bit eyebrow-raising. Otherwise, the rest is completely plausible.<br /><br />Have you seen the re-written 13 Ani Ma'amins in the Bialer siddur (חלקת יהושע)?Mar Gavrielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-17761106947442787902012-06-29T18:54:50.181-04:002012-06-29T18:54:50.181-04:00Besides, I don't think I will still be bloggin...Besides, I don't think I will still be blogging in 150 years.S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-10704582680080213672012-06-29T17:24:25.796-04:002012-06-29T17:24:25.796-04:00It is a good piece, I'm glad you posted and di...It is a good piece, I'm glad you posted and didn't wait one hundred and fifty years (it will take me that long to get around to reading the Shabbos Blettel), but.... Alexander Marx has a point, the third Ani Maamin in this series alludes to it.<br />Judy Brown (Braun?)brings the two together very nicely in Hush: A miracle had to be at least one hundred years old, when nobody was sure exactly when and how it happened, so that everyone would know that it was absolutely true. Once they knew it was true, it then became sacred and they could print it as part of the Children's Tales of Tzaddikim series.Elihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05452025156370005760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-23403408746529575852012-06-29T16:23:26.383-04:002012-06-29T16:23:26.383-04:00The Raavad also believed that Hashem couldn't ...The Raavad also believed that Hashem couldn't have a body, but he objected to the Rambam making it an iqar emunah. The Raavad writes that greater men than the Rambam were misled by the pesuqim and aggaditos to think He had a body.<br /><br />Similarly here, Yaak. You can agree with all these beliefs. That's different than saying you wouldn't drink any uncooked wine I were to handle unless I did.micha bergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11612144735431285113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-78323164054103642262012-06-29T16:10:58.904-04:002012-06-29T16:10:58.904-04:00It's cute and very well-done, but as someone w...It's cute and very well-done, but as someone who has a more Kabbalistic bent, I actually agree with most (not all) of the statements he uses as parody. (I'm not going to argue the points, so don't ask.)yaakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08179304707239865515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-31870705739213434232012-06-29T14:45:26.289-04:002012-06-29T14:45:26.289-04:00Heh heh. Poe's Law at its best.Heh heh. Poe's Law at its best.Dov Fhttp://beismedrash.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.com