tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post6475451071890871387..comments2024-01-21T02:58:08.208-05:00Comments on On the Main Line: A copy of the ketubah of a giyoret in New York from 1827Mississippi Fred MacDowellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02734864605700159687noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-77338370465990552742013-01-23T15:50:26.839-05:002013-01-23T15:50:26.839-05:00(some) syrians (today) have the chattan sign too, ...(some) syrians (today) have the chattan sign too, and i believe its before the witnesses.<br /><br />not sure about spelling of new york. but the east river is technically not a river, esp in pre landfill times, so they prob sought to avoid the issue by calling on it on the sea, but what about specifying the name of sea / ocean. either way, i doubt there is any other city in the work called new york. even then.<br /><br />us dollars were not common then (or was it beginning to be common then). remember, cong bnei yeshurun was started because the cohen refused to give the mandatory donation of "one shilling" for his aliyah. (they couldnt start a young israel then, cause the shul could not later become conservative).<br /><br />last, the divrei chaim (later / mid 1800s) advocated refusing to recognize gitten from "america" cause they didnt know what they were doing.MiMedinat HaYamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-91168470412265559772013-01-20T20:11:56.324-05:002013-01-20T20:11:56.324-05:00AS an amateur ketuba writer, I once got into big t...AS an amateur ketuba writer, I once got into big trouble for putting the spaces for the signatures of the edim side by side, as was done in this 1827 example. There are also numerous variations in this text from what are now the standard versions; just to mention one, the words "ve-afarnes" and "u-mefarnesin" are missing. Either the range of permissible variations was greater back then, or else the local "clergy" were less than expert. In fact, both of these alternatives may be true. Dan Kleinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-46305226787753921922013-01-20T08:14:36.222-05:002013-01-20T08:14:36.222-05:00As a rule, you are only supposed to have a single ...As a rule, you are only supposed to have a single space between the document and the signatures of the witnesses, so as to preclude the possibility of forgery.Rabbi Joshua Maroofhttp://vesomsechel.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-26866697857114364032013-01-19T21:45:32.131-05:002013-01-19T21:45:32.131-05:00R. Maroof:
i don't know anything about halach...R. Maroof:<br /><br />i don't know anything about halacha, and can't comment from that angle, but i know something about ketubot, and this isn't unusualabba's rantingshttp://abbasrantings.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-57414162698134843112013-01-19T19:52:35.432-05:002013-01-19T19:52:35.432-05:00It is interesting that the signature of the Hatan ...It is interesting that the signature of the Hatan is interposing between the text and the signatures of the witnesses. From the perspective of Hilkhot Shetarot, shouldn't this be problematic?Rabbi Joshua Maroofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12585369620887846940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-13357730070930291362013-01-18T14:58:47.397-05:002013-01-18T14:58:47.397-05:00"נהר איסט ריווער"
Is that like the Yekk..."נהר איסט ריווער" <br />Is that like the Yekkes who live on<br />Rehov Herzl Strasse?Abul Bannatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-60746587454767331122013-01-18T10:33:27.389-05:002013-01-18T10:33:27.389-05:00I mean, we write, not read.I mean, we write, not read.Mar Gavrielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-26680550460111788702013-01-18T10:33:10.656-05:002013-01-18T10:33:10.656-05:00Today, we read:
מתא נוא יארק דיתבא על נהר האדסאן ...Today, we read:<br /><br />מתא נוא יארק דיתבא על נהר האדסאן ועל נהר איסט ריווער ועל כיף ימא<br /><br />in gittin.Mar Gavrielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-69434537779377847062013-01-17T17:36:54.391-05:002013-01-17T17:36:54.391-05:00Clearly the bridegroom wasn't Syrian - or this...Clearly the bridegroom wasn't Syrian - or this predates the Takana.<br />When did the sea ("mukefet yama" - 3 line) turn into the East and Hudson rivers? Maybe before the bridges were built the rivers seemed like a sea.Abul Bannatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-56645410924800620072013-01-17T09:58:52.628-05:002013-01-17T09:58:52.628-05:00A giyyoret receives 100 zuz as the base amount + 1...A giyyoret receives 100 zuz as the base amount + 100 zekukim as an additional amount.<br /><br />Lawrence KaplanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-20582147298791759252013-01-17T06:45:29.399-05:002013-01-17T06:45:29.399-05:00Looks like it is.
See p. 29 of this:
http://www.ca...Looks like it is.<br />See p. 29 of this:<br />http://www.cantors.org/JSM/v7n2.pdfADDeRabbihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11140799140529618997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-7761863589761733492013-01-17T06:43:10.912-05:002013-01-17T06:43:10.912-05:00I wonder if the mesader kiddushin is Phineas Hart,...I wonder if the mesader kiddushin is Phineas Hart, a chazzan, son of another chazzan, Alexander Hart. They were from England and moved to New Orleans, but Phineas got married in Philadelphia in 1833.<br />Is that plausible?ADDeRabbihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11140799140529618997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-87333670108604614772013-01-16T23:51:44.188-05:002013-01-16T23:51:44.188-05:00By the way, on pg. 29 of the pdf is Mordecai Manua...By the way, on pg. 29 of the pdf is Mordecai Manual Noah's ketubbah; or rather, of course, the one he gave to his wife. "Mordechai bar Menachem dimikrei Noah." And this one has some big dollars in it.S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com