tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post6171762002341848459..comments2024-01-21T02:58:08.208-05:00Comments on On the Main Line: On the Napoleon Tisha B'av legend - tracing it back in print to 1891.Mississippi Fred MacDowellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02734864605700159687noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-65027431373617818512022-08-25T06:57:31.515-04:002022-08-25T06:57:31.515-04:00Unideinri2000 Danielle Ocasio Emsisoft Anti-Malwar...Unideinri2000 Danielle Ocasio <a href="https://exe2zip.com/category/security/vpn/" rel="nofollow">Emsisoft Anti-Malware</a><br /><a href="https://exe2zip.com/category/security/firewall/" rel="nofollow">Kaspersky Total Security</a><br /><a href="https://exe2zip.com/category/for-phone/" rel="nofollow">Kaspersky Total Security</a><br /> kingwhartimelinartauze_2000https://exe2zip.com/category/backups/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-43467694030728396322022-04-23T10:25:44.044-04:002022-04-23T10:25:44.044-04:00Apuepesdi_me Lisa Williams https://wakelet.com/wak...Apuepesdi_me Lisa Williams <a href="https://wakelet.com/wake/pDrj3h2EeJzNBuOWZcjs-" rel="nofollow">https://wakelet.com/wake/pDrj3h2EeJzNBuOWZcjs-</a><br /> galestiogoldApuepesdi_mehttps://wakelet.com/wake/coyaPpC-RyMGKb_8acaLmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-73146926156882596952011-09-25T23:06:30.619-04:002011-09-25T23:06:30.619-04:00The legend repeated itself, according to the Artsc...The legend repeated itself, according to the Artscroll book: "They Called Him Mike" when NYC Mayor William O'Dwyer (in about 1950) made a very similar statement as Napoleon's. See page 392 of that book. -- PhilAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-32084320147308949472011-08-14T12:01:16.283-04:002011-08-14T12:01:16.283-04:00Hmmm...Washington and the Menorah sounds like a go...Hmmm...Washington and the Menorah sounds like a good post in a few months time.<br /><br />And Napoleon really was a great figure in history, so his opinion should matter a little more then the average Joe'sBenjamin of Tudelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00443453533108185137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-80511320243101501982011-08-12T11:22:09.840-04:002011-08-12T11:22:09.840-04:00Ever think of a post about R. Aryeh Kaplan, now th...Ever think of a post about R. Aryeh Kaplan, now that you mention him? He impacted thousands of Jews. He sort of made Kabalah fashionable, or maybe accessible is the better word. Was the Berel Wein of his generation, maybe, for emerging religous Jews? I've always liked R Pinchas Stolper's statement about his early demise: God only wanted so much revealed, and no more. I was very taken by that notion when I was younger.DFhttp://www.yahoo.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-67655911986399310912011-08-12T11:06:25.078-04:002011-08-12T11:06:25.078-04:00Nasorean doesn't equal Jewish Christian. It, a...Nasorean doesn't equal Jewish Christian. It, apparently, equals Judaizing Christian - but not just any Judaizing, but Dead Sea Sect Judaizing. They've got a helpful Aryeh Kaplan translation of Sefer Yetzirah on their web site, so you know that their theology is rock-solid. Learn something new every day.S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-90315344480678111682011-08-12T05:42:27.458-04:002011-08-12T05:42:27.458-04:00Not just a Nasorean Rabbi, but the Messiah apparen...Not just a Nasorean Rabbi, but the Messiah apparently<br /><br />"Under Baruch's guidance, the group rejected the Divinity of Yeshua, affirmed his Messiahship, and adopted the Didache as its constitution."<br />see http://www.nasori.org/the_zaddik.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-36000158031306936822011-08-12T02:37:49.441-04:002011-08-12T02:37:49.441-04:00MYG -- "Nasorean" = Jewish-Christian? I ...MYG -- "Nasorean" = Jewish-Christian? I didn't google the author.Mar Gavrielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-65895015576155419312011-08-12T00:51:32.134-04:002011-08-12T00:51:32.134-04:00"Personally I don't know why Napoleon'..."Personally I don't know why Napoleon's opinion is supposed to matter. He was certainly wrong about other things, not to mention a nasty sort of monster. But it's a good foil. "<br /><br />Were you thinking of Bilaam's "Mah tovu" by any chance? -- PhilAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-34736405256279740662011-08-11T22:16:53.865-04:002011-08-11T22:16:53.865-04:00MarGavriel, coming from a Nasorean Rabbi... :-)MarGavriel, coming from a Nasorean Rabbi... :-)MYGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09510670684474219811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-70257029977854514382011-08-11T22:04:24.429-04:002011-08-11T22:04:24.429-04:00S., here's the one about George Washington and...S., here's the one about George Washington and Hanukkah. I only heard it about a year ago, but apparently it goes back to at least 1920 or so, and is (apparently) part of the Hanukkah myth for a significant sector of American Jewry:<br /><br />http://www.examiner.com/religion-and-politics-in-kansas-city/the-myth-of-george-washington-and-hanukkahMar Gavrielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-10207829291655052662011-08-11T18:59:15.663-04:002011-08-11T18:59:15.663-04:00Reb DF, no one is unbiased. They are not us, that&...Reb DF, no one is unbiased. They are not us, that's true. :)<br /><br />On the contrary, I find that we can often be honest about our flaws while they (at least those who are philosemitic, which is a fancy way of saying an unhealthy interest in the Jews, only without the hatred and unhealthy interest of antisemites). <br /><br />On the other hand, there's some truth to what you say as well re pointing out hard truths.S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-21846193905227568542011-08-11T18:24:59.425-04:002011-08-11T18:24:59.425-04:00Of course the Mark Twain piece is real (although i...Of course the Mark Twain piece is real (although it is taken out of context, slightly). I think we were talking about, why is it that anyone cares what he has to say for validation. Sure, he was bright, a wickedly good writer and an icon. But frankly, so what? The Jews aren't good or not good because Mark Twain admired or didn't admire them.<br /><br />George W and the menorah? That's a new one to me!S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-62835851280947499222011-08-11T18:08:46.322-04:002011-08-11T18:08:46.322-04:00actually, the mark twian piece is prob true. have...actually, the mark twian piece is prob true. havent read his writings recently, but they are extensive, including his writing on jews and palestine, which he visited for several months (not ten days on the federation tour.)<br /><br />now, follow up with a piece on george washington and the chanukkah menorah (valley forge and wall street manhattan).MiMedinat HaYamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-46943014828696765162011-08-11T17:32:28.030-04:002011-08-11T17:32:28.030-04:00Connection to this weeks parsha:
כי הוא חכמתכם ובי...Connection to this weeks parsha:<br />כי הוא חכמתכם ובינתכם לעיני העמים אשר ישמעון את כל החקים האלה ואמרו רק עם חכם ונבון הגוי הגדול הזה<br />I know it's not talking about gemara so chill out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-36092416812688157902011-08-11T17:03:57.645-04:002011-08-11T17:03:57.645-04:00First of all, I think many people simply assume th...First of all, I think many people simply assume that it's true, and if it's true then it's true and it's a good story to repeat. Personally I don't know why Napoleon's opinion is supposed to matter. He was certainly wrong about other things, not to mention a nasty sort of monster. But it's a good foil. Clearly the people in Europe, the masses, thought he was very very impressive. Talk about a man who was able to get stuff done. So it's not surprising that he was thought of as a man with good judgment and perception, even if I would point out that he was a megalamaniacal dictator who ultimately grabbed too much and grabbed nothing.<br /><br />I'm not sure why people like to hear that Important People agreed with them, but they surely do. In the 1830s Salomon Plessner, a young modern darshan/ rabbi in Posen decided to put together a compilation of praises of the Talmud from famous gentile scholars throughout the ages. It was aimed at a decree forbidding Talmud instruction in the schools, but its aim was also for Jews to read it and raise the prestige of the Talmud, to make people think "Gee, if Jerome and Buxtorf said <i>that</i> about the rabbis, maybe the Talmud is pretty good after all." Rabbi Akiva Eger thought it was a peachy idea too, and encouraged Plessner to publish this book, <a href="http://www.hebrewbooks.org/39247" rel="nofollow">עדות לישראל</a>. I'm sure not everyone falls for this kind of stuff (clearly you do not, as evidenced by your comment) but surely many people eat it up.S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-66276474466550699362011-08-11T16:37:49.039-04:002011-08-11T16:37:49.039-04:00Why do people seem to want the Napoleon story to b...Why do people seem to want the Napoleon story to be true? Is it validation of the promise of redemption? I don't know why people act as if Napoleon almost had ruach hakodesh or something.<br /><br />Same with the Mark Twain piece about the place of the Jew in history. Sure, Mark Twain is an American icon, but that's basically all the significance of the piece.tesyaanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-74765002462071668202011-08-11T13:54:54.590-04:002011-08-11T13:54:54.590-04:00I have heard a version of the story set during Nap...I have heard a version of the story set during Napoleon's campaign in the Ottoman Empire, set I think in Jaffa. I also had a vague feeling I had heard it set in Acre, but Wikipedia says Napoleon never conquered it, although I suppose that might not stop the story being told as if he did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-63869020554004985962011-08-11T10:58:08.348-04:002011-08-11T10:58:08.348-04:00DF, yes, it does sound more in character. The prob...DF, yes, it does sound more in character. The problem with such legends is that there are so many questions, and many of them are only questions because of the particular version as it is told. For example, it is nonsensical that Napoleon had to ask which Temple, how recently it was destroyed, etc. But just because people say it, doesn't mean that in earlier versions he asked such stupid questions. Secondly, it's hard to divorce it entirely from all we know about his relations with and attitude toward European Jews, his attempt to conquer Palestine (which was preceded by his, probably insincere, broadside to the Jews promising to repatriate them) etc.<br /><br />There is also the issue that sometimes the unexpected and unlikely statements are more likely to be true (i.e., if Jesus the Prince of Peace is saying something mean, maybe it's authentic) and so on and so forth.<br /><br />The Yad Avshalom legend is definitely from the 19th century as well. I don't think it has ever been proven that there was even a hand on it. No traveler in history ever mentioned the hand, until the legend explaining that it was Napoleon who blew it off. The name of the monument probably gave rise to the legend.S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-18799711694129035022011-08-11T10:08:53.151-04:002011-08-11T10:08:53.151-04:00Very valuable post. If it actually happened at all...Very valuable post. If it actually happened at all, doesnt the version with Napoleon advocating force sound more in keeping with his charachter than the other?<br /><br />agav, you know anything about the Naploeon legend of him shooting of the hand of the Yad Avshalom monument?DFhttp://ww.yahoo.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-5457183193579950032011-08-11T02:38:33.675-04:002011-08-11T02:38:33.675-04:00For what it's worth, someone at our shul last ...For what it's worth, someone at our shul last Shabbat told this story, but credited it to the composer Frederic Chopin, who compared the mourning of the Jews for their Temple and homeland with the Polish refugees of his day living in Paris.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10476342853221907370noreply@blogger.com