tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post6490892716527494409..comments2024-01-21T02:58:08.208-05:00Comments on On the Main Line: "I concede the omission of the first yekum purkan." - on Orthodox reform in the 19th century.Mississippi Fred MacDowellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02734864605700159687noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-28650128409762089502013-04-23T06:34:46.227-04:002013-04-23T06:34:46.227-04:00Excellent site you've got here.. It's diff...Excellent site you've got here.. It's difficult to find quality writing like yours <br />nowadays. I honestly appreciate individuals like you! Take care!<br />!<br /><br />my webpage ... <a href="http://lmaocr.com/groups/perfect-female-body-proportions-calculator/" rel="nofollow">waist to height ratio</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-33240360378546058412012-01-19T20:54:23.492-05:002012-01-19T20:54:23.492-05:00This blog is maintaining its reputation for Anglo-...This blog is maintaining its reputation for Anglo-Jewish religious history.<br /><br />I deal with these reforms, and their predecessors from 1880, in 'Britain's Chief Rabbis and the Religious Character of Anglo-Jewry 1880-1970', especially the chapter on Hermann Adler's religious policy.<br /><br />The split service was first permitted by CR Nathan Adler in 1851. He insisted that Hallel be said twice; once by the baal shaharit, and then by the hazzan for the second service.<br /><br />Some synagogues went further than these reforms, and the New West End introduced all sorts of innovations, including English readings as part of the second service, in around 1912. They also discussed adopting the triennial cycle (or a version of it). There was no Chief Rabbi at the time, and 'each man did what was right in his own eyes'. In the end the triennial cycle was not introduced because it was against the United Synagogue byelaws, which stipulated that the German and Polish Minhag must be observed.Ben Eltonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-61021442128973718622012-01-19T10:14:26.025-05:002012-01-19T10:14:26.025-05:00Yona, thanks, you are undoubtedly correct.
JXG, I...Yona, thanks, you are undoubtedly correct.<br /><br />JXG, I agree. No one writes English like the English; and Rabbi Hermann Adler was born in Hannover!<br /><br />As for "where the services are divided" he probably means the following, as described by David Woolf Marks, the original British Reform rabbi and therefore arch-nemesis of the Orthodoxy which the Chief Rabbi wished to conserve. Here is what he wrote, describing a certain synagogue:<br /><br />" the service is divided into two parts: the first part, embracing nearly the whole of the [Shacharis], is performed at an early hour by a few persons only, who are for the most part paid to form a Minyan. The second part of the service, to which the sermon is added—and it is the only service of the two which the congregation, properly speaking, attends—commences with the reading of the law. Of course I do not presume to offer any opinion upon this arrangement; but I merely point to the fact, that Dr. Adler, whom no one can charge with being an innovator, feels himself positively coerced into the sanctioning of a process which makes two services out of one, because a weekly pulpit cannot be practically maintained side by side with the recital of all the matter contained in the modern Sabbath and Festival prayer-books."<br /><br />So he is saying that if there is going to be a speech after Hallel, before Torah reading, then there is no need to say the Kaddish. <br /><br />Nachum, indeed, that is how the joke typically goes. I've done research into the yekum purkan myth. A taste of it can be found <a href="http://parsha.blogspot.com/2011/01/rav-and-shadal-on-removing-yekum-purkan.html?showComment=1294240502645#c5040864375209187155" rel="nofollow">here</a>.S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-43070899521486449702012-01-19T07:38:16.794-05:002012-01-19T07:38:16.794-05:00In New Zealand, and I assume other commenwealth co...In New Zealand, and I assume other commenwealth countries, "Shnoddering" is still a common expression in shul - e.g., "In honour of my mew grandshn, I shnodered $50)Michael Sedleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02684514303911193073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-76856926955631275562012-01-19T06:37:10.784-05:002012-01-19T06:37:10.784-05:00I always heard the joke as the *second* Yekum Purk...I always heard the joke as the *second* Yekum Purkan. Of course, Sephardim say neither.Nachumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-30951134549448897272012-01-19T06:05:00.723-05:002012-01-19T06:05:00.723-05:00"the tender and pathetic songs of Degrees&quo..."the tender and pathetic songs of Degrees"! Awesome.JXGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-82929812587190826452012-01-19T05:59:50.090-05:002012-01-19T05:59:50.090-05:00V. The Kaddish. "...In the Synagogues where t...V. The Kaddish. "...In the Synagogues where the Services are divided, a Kaddish need not be recited after the Hallel."<br /><br />What does this mean?JXGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-9674095616843735032012-01-19T02:15:40.554-05:002012-01-19T02:15:40.554-05:00"mitzvos ausrupen"
I think this may be ..."mitzvos ausrupen"<br /><br />I think this may be meant to be read as "mitvos ausruFFen".In the original hebrew transliteration of the german-yiddish the "pey" is really a "fey". Ausruffen would mean to announce as in Yiddishyonanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-9666323010963217412012-01-18T23:47:41.589-05:002012-01-18T23:47:41.589-05:00Thanks for the link the the Rema story. I heard th...Thanks for the link the the Rema story. I heard the fascinating account from a rebbi a few years back and searched the teshuvot but couldn't find it. Thanks!<br /><br />I'm still laughing at #16.Dovhttp://beismedrash.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-77654786943474750802012-01-18T18:45:14.040-05:002012-01-18T18:45:14.040-05:00There is the story of the Wuerzburger Rav, who had...There is the story of the Wuerzburger Rav, who had the bimah in the front of the shul and also donned clerical garb and said that in order to save Judaism in Wuerzburg he had to "make concessions in non-essential issues".<br /><br />(See http://leimanlibrary.com/texts_of_publications/62.%20Rabbi%20Joseph%20Carlebach%20Wuerzburg%20and%20Jerusalem.pdf)<br /><br />But of course the Wuerzburger Rav believed strongly in preserving the unity of the Jewish Kehilla...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-53121101809842721612012-01-18T17:54:41.849-05:002012-01-18T17:54:41.849-05:00Well, it is on archive.org. So that wasn't too...Well, it is on archive.org. So that wasn't too difficult.<br /><br />If you want to discuss online research, I'd be glad to. Please email me; a link to my address is at the top right of the page.S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-59905300866562402022012-01-18T17:51:00.352-05:002012-01-18T17:51:00.352-05:00I just wrote a reserach paper on this topic (and o...I just wrote a reserach paper on this topic (and others) for class and would have loved to have seen this document. (I saw it referenced in books, but the reference always seemed to be some archive in England.) Pray tell, how did you find this document on the Internet and how in general do you find everything that you find?Baruchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-20190600404721189052012-01-18T17:26:24.495-05:002012-01-18T17:26:24.495-05:00What an interesting find! Thanks!What an interesting find! Thanks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-88603845287918034212012-01-18T16:59:15.336-05:002012-01-18T16:59:15.336-05:00It's still alive, existed already in England 1...It's still alive, existed already in England 150 years ago or more, and is also used descriptively and not derisively. (I would argue that most people who [still] use it today do not use it derisively at all.)S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-15230755533382250762012-01-18T16:55:15.029-05:002012-01-18T16:55:15.029-05:00There was a derisive term that developed in Americ...There was a derisive term that developed in America for the practice of announcing donations that had been pledged for honors - "shnoddering" (Google it) for the person who pledged ("she-nadar").ADDeRabbihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11749876612695930184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-58470868840467315102012-01-18T16:15:08.495-05:002012-01-18T16:15:08.495-05:00Ooh, editing mistake!
thanks.Ooh, editing mistake!<br /><br />thanks.S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-74678219048493480742012-01-18T15:23:38.805-05:002012-01-18T15:23:38.805-05:00You used the number 7 twice.
Great post, by the w...You used the number 7 twice.<br /><br />Great post, by the way!Y. https://www.blogger.com/profile/00852218508652846269noreply@blogger.com