tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post6421356210960978566..comments2024-01-21T02:58:08.208-05:00Comments on On the Main Line: The Maggid of Kelm's sermons against the Hebrew newspapers, as reported by one of the Hebrew newspapersMississippi Fred MacDowellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02734864605700159687noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-62943479603921166532012-07-11T12:29:21.326-04:002012-07-11T12:29:21.326-04:00No help coming, Fred? I'm hurt.
DFNo help coming, Fred? I'm hurt.<br /><br />DFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-20215569335595772802012-07-10T21:48:01.013-04:002012-07-10T21:48:01.013-04:00"Sitra achra" would not be an especially..."Sitra achra" would not be an especially hysterical term to use in a moralizing sermon. Sure, think Pat Robertson rather than Rowan William, but we're talking about a 19th century east European maggid, not, I don't know, Rabbi Leo Jung. <br /><br />As for the fact that we are talking about "newspapers," just think of the reaction to the internet, and then maybe magnify that.S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-8997017391312682382012-07-10T21:39:32.412-04:002012-07-10T21:39:32.412-04:00(I meant to type: "I don't know /how/ ras...(I meant to type: "I don't know /how/ rash...")Philnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-72138367320451131032012-07-10T21:34:52.272-04:002012-07-10T21:34:52.272-04:00Although I know the /words/ in Hebrew, I don't...Although I know the /words/ in Hebrew, I don't know rash it would be considered to say. In other words, if an American described newspapers as Satanic, I'd picture Jim Bakker or Pat Robertson. But if a Jew described newspapers as "hinei heima m'sitra achra", would I picture him as the Jim Bakker or Pat Robertson of the Jewish world?Philnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-19691533629180232702012-07-10T01:34:41.410-04:002012-07-10T01:34:41.410-04:00The original is "hinei heimah m'sitra ach...The original is "hinei heimah m'sitra achra" as you can see yourself phil. which translates just like that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-741020747792592242012-07-09T23:40:13.443-04:002012-07-09T23:40:13.443-04:00"behold they are satanic"
This sounds so..."behold they are satanic"<br />This sounds so, umm, rash and hotheaded in English. Does it have that same ring in the original language?Philnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-57238967196345435952012-07-09T13:50:40.274-04:002012-07-09T13:50:40.274-04:00What was the viewpoint of the following papers I t...What was the viewpoint of the following papers I think [could well be wrong] I recall having read about?:<br /><br />HaPeles<br />HaMivaser<br />HaHedDFhttp://www.yahoo.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-49030135723433337042012-07-09T13:16:01.749-04:002012-07-09T13:16:01.749-04:00would you say so? Lilienblum's provocative art...would you say so? Lilienblum's provocative articles on the Shulchan Aruch appeared in Hameliz. Perhaps that was a few years later.S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-5523333230068016962012-07-09T12:51:48.497-04:002012-07-09T12:51:48.497-04:00S:
"Hameliz was the radical Haskalah. Yalag,...S:<br /><br />"Hameliz was the radical Haskalah. Yalag, why do we need rabbis, etc."<br /><br />it's been a while, but iirc in it's earlier years (i.e., under founder alexander zederbaum), it wasn't radical?<br /><br />"Hazefirah was the scientific haskalah paper, edited by Slonimski."<br /><br />i.e., real science, not wissenschaft judenthumsabba's rantingshttp://abbasrantings.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-29457917334087985482012-07-09T10:51:09.667-04:002012-07-09T10:51:09.667-04:00FYI the archives of most of these newspapers, with...FYI the archives of most of these newspapers, with the notable exception at this moment of Hakarmel, is online at jpress.org.il.S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-10368384493608489052012-07-09T10:50:18.300-04:002012-07-09T10:50:18.300-04:00Sure.
Hamaggid was the frum Haskalah newspaper. ...Sure. <br /><br />Hamaggid was the frum Haskalah newspaper. This is the one which the Netziv famously read and said ahh shabbos isn't a shabbos without it. One section was news from cities around the world, and the other was scholarly articles. <br /><br />Hakarmel was a little more scholarly, edited by SJ Fuenn of my recent RJJ post fame. I have read less of it, so I don't want to say more about it.<br /><br />Hameliz was the radical Haskalah. Yalag, why do we need rabbis, etc.<br /><br />Hazefirah was the scientific haskalah paper, edited by Slonimski. Allegedly everyone loved to read it, except of course the fanatics.S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-51849796473916459042012-07-09T10:45:52.508-04:002012-07-09T10:45:52.508-04:00Hamaggid, Hakarmel, Hameliz, Hazefirah
Ooh, that ...<i>Hamaggid, Hakarmel, Hameliz, Hazefirah</i><br /><br />Ooh, that would have been a nice headline. :-)<br /><br />Can you briefly summarize which newspaper was published by which group? Their points of view?SoMeHoW Frumhttp://somehowfrum.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-72022699575039805292012-07-09T08:23:03.410-04:002012-07-09T08:23:03.410-04:00the author did not know that they have no portion ...the author did not know that they have no portion in the next world. He would have had to have been there and check it out and then report on his findings. But even that would not be conclusive. after all the Talmud says i have not seen is not a proof. after all he might go to Gan eden and spend a lot of time checking every knok and cranny and still not find the people that read Hebrew newspapers. that would not be a proof because they might move from location to location to avoid detection. they probably would rather not run into this character even in Gan eden.Avraham https://www.blogger.com/profile/07822433921393627746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-65706038725453695982012-07-09T06:53:44.749-04:002012-07-09T06:53:44.749-04:00Sounds almost as saftig as the recent ban on the M...Sounds almost as saftig as the recent ban on the Mishpacha daily in IsraelShragihttp://yeshivadaze.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com