tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post5628177891242296455..comments2024-01-21T02:58:08.208-05:00Comments on On the Main Line: A pair of Hebrew Revolutionary War prayers for three different GeorgesMississippi Fred MacDowellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02734864605700159687noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-56259044414525485832015-07-06T21:01:30.028-04:002015-07-06T21:01:30.028-04:00http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/fishstein/images/...http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/fishstein/images/12_07%20Star%20Spangled%20Banner.jpgChavi Becknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-61640606140918464992015-07-06T20:59:46.493-04:002015-07-06T20:59:46.493-04:00digital.library.mcgill.ca/fishstein/images/12_07 S...digital.library.mcgill.ca/fishstein/images/12_07 Star Spangled Banner.jpg<br />Just found this Yiddish star spangled banner, via Wikipedia, and thought the oilam would find it of interest.Chavi Becknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-38984526232730971892015-06-01T00:58:34.930-04:002015-06-01T00:58:34.930-04:00Um, which vocalized manuscripts postdate Yiddish? ...Um, which vocalized manuscripts postdate Yiddish? Or come from any area where Yiddish was spoken? <br /><br /><br /><br />I'm not sure what your point about the Targum is. Surely the Targum is just more evidence that in the Tana'ic era the name was universally pronounced that way.Zev Seronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-28141165961785856342015-05-29T15:01:58.180-04:002015-05-29T15:01:58.180-04:00By looking at the vocalised manuscripts of Mishnay...By looking at the vocalised manuscripts of Mishnayos. There are several Nochums, and no Nachums.Zev Seronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-71414179960887608202015-05-29T07:02:59.096-04:002015-05-29T07:02:59.096-04:00This is not "in certain circles". The ...This is not "in certain circles". The prophet was Nachum, but in the Mishna there are several men by this name, and it is always Nochum with a komatz.Zev Seronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-4626359756082347332015-05-20T14:38:17.401-04:002015-05-20T14:38:17.401-04:00Fred, I was going to say something about "Noc...Fred, I was going to say something about "Nochem," but it got too unwieldy, so I posted about it instead. http://considerthesource2.blogspot.com/2015/05/nahum-and-nokhem.htmlMike Koplowhttp://considerthesource2.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-13474863396338340332015-05-20T14:29:05.789-04:002015-05-20T14:29:05.789-04:00http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/this-day-in-j...http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/this-day-in-jewish-history/.premium-1.657200?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter<br /><br />The “On the Main Line” blog some years ago, in a column on Hildesheimer, quoted one of his daughters, Esther Calvary, who recalled how on holidays, between the afternoon and evening prayers, her father would gather the children about him and sing German lieder: “And each time for us, his children, the high point was when he sang his favorite, Heine’s ‘Die Zwei Grenadiere.<br />’”http://onthemainline.blogspot.co.il/2005/05/r-shach-on-r-azriel-and-what-it-means.htmlBaal Batishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-82411088752403410402015-05-12T10:49:24.800-04:002015-05-12T10:49:24.800-04:00Sorry, I lost my train of thought in middle. I was...Sorry, I lost my train of thought in middle. I was going to say something about this being evidence of a traditional pronunciation of the name. In all likelihood, or at least it's possible, people were so accustomed to this pronunciation that many did not realize that it is not actually vocalized with a patach, but with a chirik. I would give as a parallel the name Nachum, commonly pronounced "Nochum" in certain circles. Dollars to donuts that most people who use this pronunciation do not realize that in the Bible it is "Nachum," with a patach. And yes, related to R. Hirsch's name. The author of this prayer was probably of Dutch origin.S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-2940889976513684242015-05-12T10:44:40.718-04:002015-05-12T10:44:40.718-04:00Not just you. I suspect that it's a typo, alth...Not just you. I suspect that it's a typo, although likely a reference to another post on the pronunciation of R' Hirsch's name.Noahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-24633298414522636232015-05-10T16:01:23.404-04:002015-05-10T16:01:23.404-04:00Is it just my computer, ot are there words missing...Is it just my computer, ot are there words missing at the end of this? - "Just to point out something interesting, notice that the name Samson...is vocalized in Hebrew as "Shamshon," perhaps reflecting the "Phil Silvermannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-4441735705806222092015-05-08T07:22:40.283-04:002015-05-08T07:22:40.283-04:00Thank you, Dan.Thank you, Dan.Mike Koplowhttp://considerthesource2.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-41530356610076374882015-05-07T15:08:48.319-04:002015-05-07T15:08:48.319-04:00Actually, Mike, the Shearith Israel members would ...Actually, Mike, the Shearith Israel members would not have used Ladino, an archaic form of Spanish preserved by Jews who took refuge in the Ottoman Empire. Those who stayed in Spain or Portugal as crypto-Jews and only later made their way to Holland, England, or America would have spoken a more modern "standard" Spanish or Portuguese. So the question of the expected Ladino spelling is moot, though I do wonder when and where the gimmel-geresh convention originated.Dan Kleinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-75676055823945323032015-05-06T14:53:42.877-04:002015-05-06T14:53:42.877-04:00Interesting, Fred. Ladino spelling wasn't real...Interesting, Fred. Ladino spelling wasn't really standardized, but I believe the gee-as-in-"George" sound was usually rendered as a gimmel with a geresh, and I sort of expected that Shearith Israel would have used a Ladino-based translit. Shows how much I don't know.Mike Koplowhttp://considerthesource2.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-88077745890223792672015-05-06T13:36:19.641-04:002015-05-06T13:36:19.641-04:00You don't answer your email :((((You don't answer your email :((((Yehoshua Deitelnoreply@blogger.com