tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post3856049703016750651..comments2024-01-21T02:58:08.208-05:00Comments on On the Main Line: A gematriya by a Rev. Mr. Hurwitz of Frankfurt who was probably *not* R. Pinchas Horowitz, unfortunatelyMississippi Fred MacDowellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02734864605700159687noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-1519379069864730862013-03-08T20:50:27.036-05:002013-03-08T20:50:27.036-05:00Hi there! I could have sworn I've visited this...Hi there! I could have sworn I've visited this web site before but after going through some of the articles I realized it's new <br />to me. Nonetheless, I'm certainly happy I discovered it and I'll be bookmarking it and checking <br />back regularly!<br /><br />My web blog; <a href="http://supertramp.com/member/5261/" rel="nofollow">plus de vue sur youtube</a><br /><i>my web site</i> > <b><a href="http://forums1.infinityprosports.com/apps/boards/2008021805/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=43708&sid=d7d7b49d0330265f1fefbca7d96f371a" rel="nofollow">plus de vues youtube</a></b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-28140505427867789922012-12-26T22:08:31.687-05:002012-12-26T22:08:31.687-05:00Congratulations! Diablohome accept a new payment m...Congratulations! Diablohome accept a new payment method - Paysafecard. Pay cash for your online purchase of<strong> <a href="http://www.diablohome.com/" title="diablo 3 gold" rel="nofollow">diablo 3 gold</a></strong>?and other diablo products, quickly, simply, and safely, with which no bank account or credit card needed, personal details not required.<br />DiabloHome is dedicated to enable all customers to enjoy the preferential price. Additionally, just like our brand name says “DiabloHome”, DiabloHome aims to provide all customers with a pleasant shopping journey at home. DiabloHome is your home to get Diablo 3 gold, Diablo 3 items and so on.<br />tags: <a href="http://www.diablohome.com/" title="buy diablo 3 gold" rel="nofollow"><strong>buy diablo 3 gold</strong></a> <a href="http://www.diablohome.com/" title="D3 gold" rel="nofollow"><strong>D3 gold</strong></a> <a href="http://www.diablohome.com/" title="diablo gold" rel="nofollow"><strong>diablo gold</strong></a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06727307911303843550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-79567008384659676842012-12-07T10:22:55.161-05:002012-12-07T10:22:55.161-05:00Midwest, I have done one or two posts like that (I...Midwest, I have done one or two posts like that (I'll look for the links) but they are old. You're right, time for an update. I'd like to describe some of my, haha, methods so we can crowd-source my schtick - finding the teeny-tiny interesting crumbs scattered in thousands of books and seforim over the centuries.S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-58517580442829856302012-12-07T10:19:44.857-05:002012-12-07T10:19:44.857-05:00S
Maybe I missed it, but a post listing some of t...S<br /><br />Maybe I missed it, but a post listing some of the sites which you have found useful would be fascinating. While many of your readers may be familiar with such sites, I am probably not the only one whose knowledge <br />stops at hebrewbooks.org. <br /><br />MidwestAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-54605138116836325802012-12-06T23:27:25.012-05:002012-12-06T23:27:25.012-05:00I originally commented with the wrong page, the pa...I originally commented with the wrong page, the page earlier. Check the link again, it's there in the note.<br /><br />Right, of course he might have heard it from him directly. I assume he did, or may have heard it in a drasha. I just happened to find it interesting that it appears in his name in the 1814 edition, then in R. Hurwitz's own sefer, in 1816 (have to find it in the sefer proper still, but let's assume) and then it is taken out of all the later editions of this book. I can't even begin to guess why, but it's interesting.<br /><br />To be honest, if Leeser had originally quoted it in the name of R. Hirsch Horowitz I don't know if this would even have been a post. I thought he was quoting R. Pinchas, and that was very cool. You do not expect to find the Hafla'ah quoted in an English catechism type book for Israelitish youth in 1830, printed in Philadelphia.<br /><br />As for the site, that is a treasure trove of books, not all in German. Some very important and interesting material there. This is part of the Freimann collection at the University of Frankfurt, "Freimann" referring to Aron Freimann, one of the great Jewish bibliographers (who also happened to be a grandson of the Aruch Laner). See <a href="http://sammlungen.ub.uni-frankfurt.de/freimann" rel="nofollow">here</a>. The site actually has several Judaica sections, all incredibly interesting and important.S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-38200663712409989522012-12-06T22:54:50.148-05:002012-12-06T22:54:50.148-05:00Um, so my German is not that polished and certainl...Um, so my German is not that polished and certainly not with older characters but from what I can make out not only does he not attribute it to R' Hirsch he doesn't mention the gematria either in the ha'arah in the link you posted. Or does he?<br /><br />Even if it's attributed to R' Hirsch, it's still possible he heard it from him before R' Hirsch actually printed it (his sefer).<br /><br />More interesting than who said it first is, how on earth did you come across that site? Clearly (from your posts) you frequent German sites because you [more than] dabble in German-Jewsih History.<br />Ovadyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-55545978496487407702012-12-06T22:45:31.224-05:002012-12-06T22:45:31.224-05:00How amusing. Yes, it is in the 1814 edition. It is...How amusing. Yes, it is in the 1814 edition. It is not in the 1819, 1824, 1829 or 1839 edition, but it is in the original 1814 edition which is what Leeser used.<br /><br /><a href="http://sammlungen.ub.uni-frankfurt.de/freimann/content/pageview/232538" rel="nofollow">Here it is</a>. Interesting, because this was published before לחמי תודה. I'll have to update the post.S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-12599852489401601262012-12-06T22:36:03.522-05:002012-12-06T22:36:03.522-05:00I did find a clue. A catalog of Isaac Leeser's...I did find a clue. A catalog of Isaac Leeser's library was published, and I looked up which edition of Johlson's book he owned. It was the 1814 edition. The earliest one I looked at was 1819 - maybe it was in the 1814 edition and somehow removed from the later ones? I'll see if that's online.S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-80282269713004468522012-12-06T22:32:59.052-05:002012-12-06T22:32:59.052-05:00=seems unlikely=seems unlikelyS.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-7965224532815555102012-12-06T22:32:33.826-05:002012-12-06T22:32:33.826-05:00Right. In Leeser's he omitted the crucial init...Right. In Leeser's he omitted the crucial initial, H. That's why I originally thought it was probably referring to R. Pinchas.<br /><br />Truth is, I can't find the thing in the book at all, so I'm not sure that Leeser somehow didn't introduce it himself, although that seems likely. Just didn't find it in any of the four editions of the original that I checked.S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-51892124288767344062012-12-06T22:30:46.670-05:002012-12-06T22:30:46.670-05:00"In 1830 Isaac Leeser translated from German&..."In 1830 Isaac Leeser translated from German" - yes, I meant the original. Is that where you realized he was referring to R' Hirsch and not the father?Ovadyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-41112726561127882882012-12-06T22:21:15.866-05:002012-12-06T22:21:15.866-05:00Huh? What do you mean Germany copy? That's the...Huh? What do you mean Germany copy? That's the original book. <br /><br />Thanks for the great sources.<br /><br />S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-73561598403812968902012-12-06T22:11:14.845-05:002012-12-06T22:11:14.845-05:00"always try to look at the original, and when..."always try to look at the original, and when I did, I realized that Johlson was quoting his son, R. Hirsch Horwiz"<br /><br />You mean "when I checked the German copy" and there he explicitly says it was R' Hirsch who told it to him? <br /><br />In any case, it's from R' Hirsch's sefer Lachmei Todah (http://hebrewbooks.org/7451) as quoted by R' Yitzchok Weiss in his Minchas Yitzchok al HaTorah (5735, pg. 214), but I have never seen this particular source in the Lachmei Todah itself (not that it's not there, just saying that I can't point you in the direction). It's a jam packed sefer full of genious pilpul and drush with multitudes of chiddushim, so knock yourself out.<br /><br />A few years later R' Aaron Tennenbaum also came up with this gematria (http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=34881&st=&pgnum=226&hilite=) and presumably did not "borrow" it.<br /><br />R' Chanoch Levine, son in-law of the Sfas Emes - who I highly doubt read the German or English book you mention unless he took it from the aforementioned seforim which I doubt too - evidently thought of the same gematria (http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=21601&st=&pgnum=200&hilite=). And I wouldn't be surprised if others already thought of it. Yeah, it's one of those.<br /><br />Just saying...<br /><br />Ovadyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-30083802754391742662012-12-06T16:52:55.620-05:002012-12-06T16:52:55.620-05:00Also, we see that Rav Hirsch Hurwitz propounded th...Also, we see that Rav Hirsch Hurwitz propounded the idea of Catholic Israel 100 years before Solomon Schechter. Haha.S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com