tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post2425894167299278265..comments2024-01-21T02:58:08.208-05:00Comments on On the Main Line: How R. Moshe Feinstein wrote responsa, and what was his window to the world.Mississippi Fred MacDowellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02734864605700159687noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-85765083809161496582011-02-28T13:36:50.943-05:002011-02-28T13:36:50.943-05:00"How do you say "window" in yiddish..."How do you say "window" in yiddish? Remember, RMF was not an english speaker"<br /><br />- the official word is fenster, but i recall my grandparents, also native yiddish speakers, referring to the vindeh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-119996251555752702010-09-13T10:48:24.379-04:002010-09-13T10:48:24.379-04:00Snag - I did. For some reason, my comment is not b...Snag - I did. For some reason, my comment is not being accepted here. Visit <br />http://eruvonline.blogspot.com/2005/10/rav-moshe-ztl-and-walking-stick.html and see the 3rd comment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-54568452817707192952010-09-07T18:24:20.210-04:002010-09-07T18:24:20.210-04:00I have to say that in the volume of his English tr...I have to say that in the volume of his English translation of Rav Moshe's teshuvot on medical ethics, Rabbi Moshe Tendler often interpolated his own comments and explanations into the translation without any indication that he was doing so. They should have been in brackets. I taught one very important teshuvah in a course of mine, and studied it very carefuly, marking all of R. Tendler's additions.<br /><br />LAWRENCE KAPLANAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-652438496593534252010-09-07T17:36:05.083-04:002010-09-07T17:36:05.083-04:00There are any number of proofs that tshuvos were f...There are any number of proofs that tshuvos were forged/edited, and anyone who never saw one never looked around.<br /><br />Also, I heard about this from close members of the Feinstein family.<br /><br />That said, it should also be noted that in some instances where text was changed in reprints of older editions, the new text is what's more accurate.Fotheringay-Phippsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-10052532437653671852010-09-07T14:28:45.625-04:002010-09-07T14:28:45.625-04:00Anonymous didn't respond to my link that showe...Anonymous didn't respond to my link that showed conclusively that teshuvos were edited for political reasons in Vol 8.Snagnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-8693054744965321522010-09-07T11:23:10.436-04:002010-09-07T11:23:10.436-04:00>How do you say "window" in yiddish? ...>How do you say "window" in yiddish? Remember, RMF was not an english speaker... <br /><br />Is that really relevant? Rabbi Tendler is not claiming to quote a beraisa. It's not assumed to be a verbatim quote. Also, although RMF "was not an English speaker," he lived in the United States for 50 years. <br /><br />(For those who don't know what Anon is getting at, a window is "fenster" in Yiddish, thus RMF, it seems, should have said "fenster" and not "vinde" - but my point is that I don't think Tendler is claiming to give his exact words. Furthermore, who knows? RMF could very well have said "vinde" especially to his American son-in-law.)S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-1344931255647934752010-09-07T10:32:19.212-04:002010-09-07T10:32:19.212-04:00How do you say "window" in yiddish? Reme...How do you say "window" in yiddish? Remember, RMF was not an english speaker...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-57712530951372613932010-09-05T18:00:54.815-04:002010-09-05T18:00:54.815-04:00"Anonymous said...
“People think that be..."Anonymous said...<br /><br /> “People think that because I’m aware of society, I became a meikel (lenient decisor). What do they want me to do – paskn incorrectly? I’m not a meikel – I paskn the way it has to be. The Halachah takes into account societal factors.”<br /><br /> The last sentence rings untrue to me. The first part of the quotation translates easily back into the original Yiddish. But the final sentence doesn't seem that something a rav and posek would say. It reminds me of one of those Talmud manuscripts where a marginal gloss is interpolated into the text. "<br /><br /><br />Maybe because you've never been around a great rav or posek in a personal setting and don't really know what they're all about?<br /><br />I could be wrong, but I'm wondering.Not namednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-81264427494350482752010-09-03T14:43:16.691-04:002010-09-03T14:43:16.691-04:00S...
I apologize.S...<br />I apologize.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-78440659680539721572010-09-03T13:57:00.993-04:002010-09-03T13:57:00.993-04:00If you can see this being teitsched from the into ...If you can see this being teitsched from the into yiddish - “People think that because I’m aware of society" - then you should be able to see the last line coming from the Yiddish, too. Besides, R. Tendler was probably paraphrasing.<br /><br />DFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-7292520612337168312010-09-03T13:00:23.934-04:002010-09-03T13:00:23.934-04:00>why are you not permitting my comment? Do you ...>why are you not permitting my comment? Do you have a problem with honest debate? <br /><br />Yes. I am part of a massive conspiracy to muzzle you.<br /><br />Or, there is some kind of problem with blogger and for some reason your comment (which you submitted three times) didn't show up.<br /><br />If it still doesn't show up, I will post your comment myself (and correct a mistake that had you saying the opposite of what you meant to say).S.http://onthemainline.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-85096324890820835882010-09-03T12:26:57.216-04:002010-09-03T12:26:57.216-04:00why are you not permitting my comment? Do you have...why are you not permitting my comment? Do you have a problem with honest debate?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-63830977932682499822010-09-03T12:09:22.619-04:002010-09-03T12:09:22.619-04:00why are you not permitting my comment?why are you not permitting my comment?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-42006119692884613932010-09-03T10:38:40.814-04:002010-09-03T10:38:40.814-04:00“People think that because I’m aware of society, I...“People think that because I’m aware of society, I became a meikel (lenient decisor). What do they want me to do – paskn incorrectly? I’m not a meikel – I paskn the way it has to be. The Halachah takes into account societal factors.”<br /><br />The last sentence rings untrue to me. The first part of the quotation translates easily back into the original Yiddish. But the final sentence doesn't seem that something a rav and posek would say. It reminds me of one of those Talmud manuscripts where a marginal gloss is interpolated into the text.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-46047276408472684962010-09-03T06:08:43.163-04:002010-09-03T06:08:43.163-04:00See:
http://eruvonline.blogspot.com/2005/10/rav-m...See:<br /><br />http://eruvonline.blogspot.com/2005/10/rav-moshe-ztl-and-walking-stick.htmlSnagnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-66262190963825461542010-09-02T10:45:56.339-04:002010-09-02T10:45:56.339-04:00I am former student of both R' Tendler's f...I am former student of both R' Tendler's from YU - so have this in mind as you read my comments.<br /><br />#1 - I have always been schocked at the eagerness of people to presume that somehow R'Tendler (either Rav Moshe Dovid or Rav Mordecai) fabricated or changed Teshuvos. This is simply a personal reaction, as I know them well. I have eaten in their homes. They have raised their families (especially Rav Mordecai) based upon the adherance to Rav Moshe Feinstein's teachings. In Rav Mordecai's house, every meal on Shabbos must have at least one Dvar Torah from Rav Moshe. Almost every shiur I ever heard from Rav Mordecai was somehow integrated with something from Rav Moshe. I have never met people more dedicated to promulgating the Torah of someone. In light of this, I find it incredulous that people are so quick to presume that they have somehow falsified things - but this is simply a personal reaction.<br /><br />#2 - In all the years, I have never seen one proof of a falsified Teshuva. There has been criticism of the publication of "Chelek Ches" (the 8th volume, published posthumously). In this volume, the editors added words in Italics and Bold (clearly distinguished from the orinial text) in cases they felt that Rav Moshe's Teshuva needed to be clarified (as a result of it being written when he was already not well). While this may have been confusing to some, and debatable if it should have been done, it clearly was not designed to "falsify" or "change" anything. With all the Teshuvos that Rav Moshe wrote to people, I would think that if there was indeed a falsification in the Igros, the original Teshuvos would have been made public by now.<br /><br />#3 - The 8th volume received the Haskam from both Rav Dovid and Rav Reuvein, in addition to Rav Moshe Tendler. Why is it that only Rav Tendler is criticized and not the Feinstein's? <br /><br />#4 - I do not know what Rav Rakefet published about the Igros, but I do know that in public Shiurim he has accused Rav Moshe Tendler of "writing" Teshuvos in the name of Rav Moshe. He basis this on the fact that a certain line in the Igros was also said by Rav Moshe Tendler, based upon the recollection of a student. To me, this is hardly the stuff facts are based upon, and it is suprising that this is used as a basis to diregard the later volumes of the Igros. Why is no one able to show even one Teshuva that was falsified by comparing the otiginal to the new?<br /><br />All of this said - if my Rabbeim ever hear of these comments, I hope they will be strenghtened to know that many of their Talmidim respect and treasure them deeply. May they and all of Klal Yisorel have a ksiva Vchasima Tova.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-5275339476688660262010-09-02T10:45:42.632-04:002010-09-02T10:45:42.632-04:00I am former student of both R' Tendler's f...I am former student of both R' Tendler's from YU - so have this in mind as you read my comments.<br /><br />#1 - I have always been shocked at the eagerness of people to presume that somehow R'Tendler (either Rav Moshe Dovid or Rav Mordecai) fabricated or changed Teshuvos. This is simply a personal reaction, as I know them well. I have eaten in their homes. They have raised their families (especially Rav Mordecai) based upon the adherence to Rav Moshe Feinstein's teachings. In Rav Mordecai's house, every meal on Shabbos must have at least one Dvar Torah from Rav Moshe. Almost every shiur I ever heard from Rav Mordecai was somehow integrated with something from Rav Moshe. I have never met people more dedicated to promulgating the Torah of someone. In light of this, I find it incredulous that people are so quick to presume that they have somehow falsified things - but this is simply a personal reaction.<br /><br />#2 - In all the years, I have never seen one proof of a falsified Teshuva. There has been criticism of the publication of "Chelek Ches" (the 8th volume, published posthumously). In this volume, the editors added words in Italics and Bold (clearly distinguished from the original text) in cases they felt that Rav Moshe's Teshuva needed to be clarified (as a result of it being written when he was already not well). While this may have been confusing to some, and debatable if it should have been done, it clearly was not designed to "falsify" or "change" anything. With all the Teshuvos that Rav Moshe wrote to people, I would think that if there was indeed a falsification in the Igros, the original Teshuvos would have been made public by now.<br /><br />#3 - The 8th volume received the Haskam from both Rav Dovid and Rav Reuvein, in addition to Rav Moshe Tendler. Why is it that only Rav Tendler is criticized and not the Feinstein's? <br /><br />#4 - I do not know what Rav Rakefet published about the Igros, but I do know that in public Shiurim he has accused Rav Moshe Tendler of writing Teshuvos in the name of Rav Moshe. He basis this on the fact that a certain line in the Igros was also said by Rav Moshe Tendler, based upon the recollection of a student. It is suprising that this is used as a basis to disregard the later volumes of the Igros. Why is no one able to show even one Teshuva that was falsified by comparing the otiginal to the new?<br /><br />All of this said - if my Rabbeim ever hear of these comments, I hope they will be strengthened to know that many of their Talmidim respect and treasure them deeply. May they and their families, all of us and all of Klal Yisorel have a Ksiva Vchasima Tova.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-88731133473625391382010-09-02T10:18:54.011-04:002010-09-02T10:18:54.011-04:00Actually, that article isn't quite correct- vo...Actually, that article isn't quite correct- volume 7 is dated to a year after he passed away, but maybe he edited it. I've heard that people have problems with parts of that volume (and maybe even parts of 6?) as well.Nachumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11292162031685942549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-85223271351747596242010-09-02T03:38:33.891-04:002010-09-02T03:38:33.891-04:00-- I might just add, that the torah.org link broug...-- I might just add, that the torah.org link brought in my comment of a minute ago - makes a disclaimer, that it's only the author's way of seeing it. <br /><br />I simply don't have the time to check through the entire Google search.. - Any other points brought up re volume 8, Anyone?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-35589478863702844692010-09-02T03:35:55.874-04:002010-09-02T03:35:55.874-04:00RE the 1st comment, here's what a brief Google...RE the 1st comment, here's what a brief Google search brought up:<br />http://www.torah.org/linkedlists/torah-forum/fu/0133.html<br /><br />And RMF's wikipedia page says thus (without citation): <br />"..an eighth volume, edited posthumously by his granddaughter's husband Shabbetai Rappoport, and published by Rappoport, and Feinstein's grandson, Rabbi Mordecai Tendler, is not universally accepted as authoritative.."<br /><br />SLIGHTLY unrelated, but an interesting link the above search brought up (therein, RMF's angle of balancing between pesakim etc):<br />http://text.rcarabbis.org/have-halakha-handbooks-changed-pesikat-halakha/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-38062400056265392102010-09-02T03:22:08.384-04:002010-09-02T03:22:08.384-04:00I know that R' Rakeffet has written a piece on...I know that R' Rakeffet has written a piece on the Igrot Moshe, and there have been other works as well.Nachumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11292162031685942549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-75329817664697866842010-09-02T03:04:00.819-04:002010-09-02T03:04:00.819-04:00has there been any academic work on igros moshe?
...has there been any academic work on igros moshe?<br /><br />the interview was a fascinating read. thanks for linking to it.<br /><br />ANON:<br /><br />"many pesakim there, retract what he wrote in earlier volumes"<br /><br />interesting, because in the interview he says that rav moshe was thankful that he never had to retract a pesakLion of Zionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12600498.post-56354879448130647322010-09-01T23:03:03.506-04:002010-09-01T23:03:03.506-04:00My question is -
Who can get to the bottom of it,...My question is - <br />Who can get to the bottom of it, once and for all:<br />Was vol. 8 of Igros Moshe INDEED partially "forged" or fabricated by R. Tendler etc, as many of RMF's talmidim claim (many pesakim there, retract what he wrote in earlier volumes)?<br /><br />Also, in the hakdoma of said sefer, they write we'll add more in the subsequent volumes to appear. Why haven't we seen any since (over a decade!)?<br /><br />Any and all leads are greatly appreciated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com